Lets see, Sy, if you want to talk about destroying.how about the ranchers cattle that have decimated the range, forests and streams? It cant be both. More land is accessible to the elk with few trees, more forage. . DECEASES DONE STAY SELECTIVE LONG IF IT FINDS ANOTHER VIABLE CARRIER. Im a public land hunter whose success rate would make others quit hunting and stay with the slow elk. Heritage and tradition are not considered at all in Colorado. These hunts are done on private ranches with great antelope populations. The only way to reduce these herds naturally,or humainly is to introduce predators,or move these herds to locations where wolves or polar bear are starving! Wouldnt it be great if the states and supporting organizations that reintroduced wolves(that decimated elk populations) were required to pay to relocate elk from over population areas into the wolf areas? We provide unequaled, 100% fair chase hunting opportunities to a limited number of discriminating hunters each . There are people starving right here in America!! IF YOU DO DO IT, YOU WIN HANDS DOWN. Book Hunting Trip. Bring back the wolves and they will take care of the elk. Reviews(49) Looking for the premier whitetail and exotic hunting ranch in Texas? Brian: One of the main reasons tags are so expensive is that tag sales must carry the costs of administrating wolves and grizzly bears in Wyoming species which generate no income to pay the cost of game and Fish managing them. I think that the game and fish should assign over populated ranches to hunters. We provide the entire camp consisting of wall tent, cooking stoves, heating stoves, lanterns, pots and pans, all cooking and eating utensils, water, coolers, propane, cots, 4-inch foam pads, sleeping bags, pillows, tables, chairs, and conservation stamps. The desert elk hunt is based from the . If the ranchers want to curb the elk problem, they can allow access. Youre still not going to knock down the elk herd because theres no way for hunters to get in there and be effective.. 6.) The late season hunt in unit 61 has plenty of public land outside the wilderness to hunt. Years ago in the Cokeville deprivation payments were limited or not paid to any property owners who did not allow a reasonable number of hunters from the general public to hunt on their property. Oh, thats right.man thinks hes better than Mother Nature! this articale could be retitled: In the Laramie Mountains, too many cows and an easy fix. Elk are creatures of habit. Our family has . There are many issues with the range, change in the environment, how GF manages the populations and hunter access. This Wyoming hunt is offered during our 3rd week of Archery Antelope. Ate a jogging teacher in Alaska. Healthily managed , wildlife are an irreplaceable part of our nation and frankly should take precedence over somebodys making a buck on a cow. Spring is a wonderful time to visit Wagonhound, the scenery is second to none! You suggest that the publics wildlife are trespassing.no, its up to the rancher to fence out the elk. I love Wyoming, but I loath their politics. Sometimes theyre very hard to find. The Werner ranch is located in the heart of Wyoming's antelope population. Outfitter License No: BG168. Its our sacred right to abuse the natural resources to extinction and then complain about it. The other thing might help if you are a resident for 6 months you can apply for in state hunting licenses. Perhaps instead of subsidizing ranches for damages have a special draw for private lands and each elk harvested can pay out to the ranch. WyoFile aims to provide you with the tools to make informed decisions by producing independent, unbiased reporting that is free and accessible to all. But the body, whose recommendations only require majority support, is gaining some ground on endorsing a new type X license, which would be valid only on private land, he said. 6) rancher outfits the wildlife, profiting handsomely off the back of the taxpayers and sportsman Kate Quinn. Even out of state disabled hunters that would never have an opportunity to hunt elk like this. Is there to many elk? Hunters will move those elk off your property in minutes. Stop giving out wildlife damage payments to landowners that dont allow public easement for hunting. And believe me it is not only Elk, Ive seen huge bunches of deer in hayfields. Montana, Idaho and WY wolves have proven to make the issue of elk harboring even worse. Healthy wolf packs will catalyze healthier Elk herds and balance the herd count nicely. The elk need to be treated with respect and taken humanly as possible. Im actually curious to see if nature could restore the balance on the Turtle Rock Ranch, which looks terribly overgrazed either by cattle or elk, or both. I am not trying to burn any bridges here and for our sake our livelihoods bring the Wolves back cause they Will only ensure the survival of the Elk and I know I like to Hunt. Wyoming Game and Fish Department Im not any happier about this than they are, however this is what happens:/. Wagonhound Outfitters offers elite trophy hunts in the heart of the Laramie Mountain range. I have found all of the reading most interesting its been an education for me being from Taylors South Carolina and now a young 63 year-old I dont know if I would ever have the chance to hunt such a magnificent animal as the elk they are huge and majestic looking and to see them in a herd as described in this article its just hard for me to imagine but I would love the opportunity to work the fence line repairing helping for just food and stay Iam sure that I could find way to the job site to work I do have a hemi power dodge ram truck that Im sure would make the trip but enough Smalltalk protecting the elk and the Elks habitat and ranchers land would be number one there are many ways that yall could benefit by having me on the team The list is too long to mention all of them. I for one would help lower the herd number. Right now the elk harbor on the private lands to avoid hunting pressure. Ranchers will never go along with forced access to their private land. Well if the game and fish along with land owners would come to an agreement, increase the number of non residents licenses. The private land owners and tax payers provide all of the feed for these animals. Sure, it would take time. We have managed the Ranch for trophy Mule Deer, Whitetail Deer, Elk, and Antelope for over 30 years. Specializing in Archery Antelope: The Wyoming archery antelope hunts offer you 5 full hunting days. Peterson, who lives in Daniel and Decatur, Texas, appeared via video conference Monday, Aug. 9, for her Sublette County Circuit Court arraignment. Rancher graze public lands then public should be able to hunt the private property. Kanye West is building a 52,000-square-foot home and two 10,000-square-foot underground garages on one of his Wyoming ranches, TMZ reported. If the number of trophy hunters was severely limited, and nature was allowed to take its course, this problem would resolve naturally. Grey wolves will follow the food mostly on private ranches where oh by the way slow domestic cattle also reside which prey do you think the wolf will attack? PINEDALE (WNE) Timberline Lodge owner and hunting guide Melanie Peterson pleaded not guilty to 19 charges alleging she violated Wyoming Game and Fish hunting regulations over the past decade. They are the locals that actually hunt to help feed their families. They are hell bent on getting rid of wolves to protect their cattle from the occasional wolf foray at calving time. Ill be curious to see what the comittee can come up with. (307) 358-9828 Phone. Some lands could be opened up with just an access easement . Camp & Ranch House Hunts - Includes all meals, . According to Hunt, he stayed as long as he was physically able. Tags are over $800 for a slim chance of getting an Elk. This is not a small pasture meat hunt. I get tired of the ranchers sad story. Wardens are way over paid and work closely with forest service to shut down as much publics ground in Colorado as possible. Plus, it looks like the president of the Wyoming Outfitters is putting his two cents in regarding the terrorist elk. The answer is simple, illegalize outfitting and these damage payments. We hunted Turtle Rock one day in 2020. This is a limited quota draw hunt in area 62-5, 63-6 . DIY Archery & Rifle elk hunts from $2,500 to $2,750 per person. People like you should think before speaking, 130 year old ranch is in dire straits because of overpopulation and mismanagement, the elk will eventually will get disease, Mother Nature has a way of taking care of these kinds of problems, but it comes with a price. Then the elk are fed during winter, again preventing natural attrition, and putting elk in close proximity in a small area. More details are emerging about an unsafe hunting incident that took place near Wapiti on the 3600 block of the North Fork Highway in the early morning hours of November 30 th, 2022.. He purchased roughly 3,500 acres southwest of Laramie Peak, dubbed the Windy Peaks Ranch, that entitles him to two landowner elk licenses a year. I think most hunters would love access even if its by foot. were fed up with the exclusive use of elk as a profit maker and fed up with your little buddy-buddy relationship with the outfitters. The Politicians of Wyoming and Wyoming G&F need to follow New Mexico, Colorado and other States which provide private landowner more land owner permits. Im new to Wyoming and whats interesting is I hear two stories. Durham Ranch is rated one of the best ranches in the United. Since we control the hunting on 100% of the 300,000 acre ranch we are able to create quality hunts dreams are made of! Lmao you bitch and complain until there arent any elk. THE HUNTRESS, LLC is a Wyoming Domestic Limited-Liability Company filed on September 28, 2015. This Laramie elk herd matter is a PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT issue above all else and the private landowners do control access to THEIR PRIVATE LAND they also have the right to control how their PRIVATE LAND is grazed and to control predators on their land. (Wyoming Game and Fish Department/Courtesy). What would be the issue to relocate two or three thousand elk to areas like the Fremont Winema forest and the Craterlake National Park. Price. 30 miles West of Wheatland, Wyoming. LOWER THE LICENSE FEES FOR TWO YEARS AND OPEN UP LANDS TO RESPONSIBLE HUNTERS FOR STATE AND PUBLIC FEDERAL OWNERS OF LAND HUNTS. You kill off a keystone species and the whole thing goes out of wack, then cry when the consequences are realized? But changing how hunting licenses are issued to address the elk overpopulation problems on private land promises to be a heavier lift because its such a contentious issue. Thanks for your support of WyoFile! Plus open the seasons longer. We have multiple options for private land and public land DIY and Drop Camp hunts. Im sure that [elk are] likely to hang there longer because they dont get interacted with much, he said. Hope to see Laramie, centennial , Encampment, and Saratoga again. Chronic wasting disease is spreading because elk are in large herds and without selective predation that would remove CWD-infected animals. The Anti-hunters dont like anyone killing anything wild, meanwhile ranchers struggle to feed their cows on what feed is left after the wildlife gets through. may be downloaded there. Your license fees are to out of line in price and not enough out of state tags. Directions: Head north on highway US 191 N. Turn right on Gros Ventre Road. The Registered Agent on file for this company is Teton Corporate Services, Inc. and is located at 155 E Pearl St Ste 200 Po Box 3345, Jackson, WY 83001. This swath of the Rockies eastern front reaches from Laramie to Casper, home to the Laramie Peak/Muddy Mountain Herd, which has averaged somewhere between double and triple Game and Fishs 5,000-elk objective. We allow hunting but the elk leave and go up high in the timber and granite that has no access to get a elk out if you do get one. 1.) were fed up with your strangle hold on the Game and Fish dept. Oh and with increased funding we could increase the staff for monitoring, enforcing rules etc. . 2) ranchers fight like heck to keep the public off these federally owned lands Fix the cattle situation first, then get back to us and well figure the elk thing out. Thats just the start of Turtle Rock Ranchs elk problems. The majority of our outfitting revenue is driven by non-resident hunters, McCarty said. Videos and photos are an absolute must. Boo Hoo. The Wagonhound has played around with allowing more public hunters onto its land for free cow-calf hunts that would trim the herd, but those efforts backfired. Its enough of an issue that a statewide task force is exploring changes to how the Wyoming Game and Fish Department issues licenses that would increase hunting pressure on herds holed up on private land. Lee, good argument! Maybe proper land management in drought years and a reduction of both Elk and Cattle would be a more palatable solution? Publicly owned wild horses are rounded up in Wyoming by the BLM and outplaced onto private ranches where the landowner is paid over $60 per month to pasture the PUBLICLY OWNED HORSES. For some reason the elk have a habit of tugging on the tarps with their mouth and flipping them into the air. "He was an outstanding cowman as well as being very loyal and devoted to the Hunt family," said Hunt. I dont know how you do it, McCarty said. Please check the availability page. THE GAME IS SO FAR OUT OF REACH FOR THE AVERAGE HUNTERS AND OR DISABLED PEOPLE WHO WISH TO HUNT DEEP OFF THE ROADS THAT NEEDS MOBILE VEHICLES UTV,ATV PERMITS RATHER A RESIDENT OR NON-RESIDENT (TO GET NEAR A GOOD HUNTING LOCATION AND PARK TO WALK A SHORT DISTANCE) THIS CANT BE ESTABLISH WITH THE PRESENT VEHICLES USAGE TERMS OF STATE AND LOCAL OUTLINED FOR PUBLIC, STATE AND FEDERAL LANDS MANAGEMENTS AREAS TO GET TO MANY GAME AREAS. The irony and hypocrisy is meme worthy at this point. This funding and program could leverage all sorts of federal/state money and programs to benefit participating landowners. Cow elk may also be hunted/harvested during the deer hunt for a fee of $1200. 5.) We rely on loyal members like you to sustain our reporting and grow the WyoFile community. We know that as top-of-the-line hunting outfitters, your hunting experience will be unmatched when you harvest your animal while staying at the Queen Mountain Guest Ranch. Base the number of permits by a percentage related to the number of animals that Landowner deals with on their private property . Some sickness comes along. My calculator wont let me figure the value of $7.00 divided by the infinite symbol, but my guess is thats its a big number. What a shame the Wyoming Game & Fish is so heavily biased against the positive value of apex predators, and the Stockgrowers malignantly so. Lots of misconceptions in these comments: The outfitters are making money a the expense of the private landowners and taxpayers. Done. I am an absolute supporter of both our ranchers and sportsman alike but I am sorry if you are not going to allow public hunting without fees then you dont receive hay or fence subsidies is a simple as that! the monopoly is over. How about you give more disabled hunters more opportunities to hunt them. Allow electronic calls, baiting, flying the area up to the day of your hunt, and many more ways to control the population! Tired of hearing about the struggling story of ranchers and over populated elk. Hopefully one day, I will have the chance to kill one of these animals (for the meat) Im not concerned if its a trophy bull, Id gladly take a cow/calf. Wyoming antelope hunting with rifle will primarily be spot and stalk from 4X4s. We offer elite, trophy outfitted hunts for elk, whitetail and mule deer, antelope, black bear, and waterfowl on 300,000 acres in the heart of the Laramie Mountain range. You will pass Huntress Ranch and we are the next ranch on the . Thats not to say Wagonhound Ranch-outfitted elk hunters only kill a few animals. gaining some ground on endorsing a new type X license, which would be valid only on private land. Rachers in my state will co.palin for days about stuff like this, but cry that wolves need to be eradicated in the state. WHAT YOU WIND UP WITH IS THE GAME WILL FIND ABSOLUTE SECURITY ON NON HUNTED PRIVATE SUBSEQUENT TO BLMS STATE AND LOCAL AND FEDERAL, LANDS AND THEY PROSPER TWO FOLD WHEN NOT HUNTED IN SEQUENCE TO THE HERD SIZES. Offering both archery and rifle hunts, you will see a lot of animals and have a great opportunity to bring home a trophy. If the Ranches dont want to play than dont give them money from the tax payers for damages to crops and fences or hay. Now there are too many to count hundreds, sometimes thousands of animals dwell on the Grant familys Turtle Rock Ranch every day. Our family owned cattle ranches offer over 45,000+ private acres of prime hunting habitat for antelope, mule deer, and elk. Fixing up fences used to take a day or two. I agree plain and simple where are the Wolves?! Yes, mixed land ownership is a huge problem and can only be resolved by large land swaps which block up large blocks of publicly owned land where the public can hunt unimpeded. While on a hunt with us you will be with an experienced professional guide who will work to make . Of course all this has to be approved by legislation. Whoops! They want to grow and harbor large trophy animals so they can charge outfitters more for their coveted landowner tags. It screws up everything for everybody. There was an error and we couldn't process your subscription. Taxpayer funds are not used to feed them only funds from license sales. Rawhide Creek Ranch offers both Rifle and Archery hunting. We have a great time and see mule deer and antelope like no where else you could hunt . Martin's Cove, located about 55 miles (89 kilometers) southwest of Casper, Wyoming, is the location where the Martin handcart company and the Hunt and Hodgett wagon companies sheltered while awaiting rescue in the fall of 1856. I dont trophy hunt my family and I eat it but Im not coming up there just to hunt one its not worth the trip. The cattle introduced brucellosis to the wild ungulates. Antelope rifle hunts have been 100% success. Then you have members of the public that do not respect private land or public land for that matter. I WAS A RESIDENT OF WYO FOR 3 YRS AND MOVED BACK TO COLORADO AND HUNT NON RESIDENT IN WYO. The public backlash over that was so extraordinary the talk of bringing back wolves began then and there. Issues with overpopulated elk, of course, arent restricted to Turtle Rock Ranch. Even though the server responded OK, it is possible the submission was not processed. Elk hunting in Utah and Wyoming, public and private land. To Ranch and Farm in historical winter ranges of the game species must be shared with out any concern for the intruders, the game must come first. I also remember when we would hunt sage grouse in the southern range. We hunt creek bottoms, side draws, and the "Pine Ridge", an area with lots of pine trees and . With so many areas to hunt and the . I personally am a meet hunter and a non resident to wy and I have held back from paying high priced non resident fees because the areas that are public are way over hunted and I do not have the extra $12k laying around to spend every year on a guided hunt! VIETNAM VETERAN U.S. ARMY RETD PROUD AMERICAN PATRIOT. We had rancher friends who lost an entire 2nd cutting of hay to deer. be warned, were bringing the fight to you and in fact, some of us well even fight you right in the middle of the field. But there are practical limits and diminishing returns to dialing up the public land hunting pressure in an area with so much private land elk can flee to, he said. The only way to pull these numbers down naturally and humainly is to introduce more predators,theres wolf populations that are dying because of starvation!! Elk herds in Yellowstone were reduced from hundreds to dozens, and they are far more healthy than elk in the absence of predation. Guess that just seems like a logical way to handle things. Times do change. Sometime in the late 90s, early 2000s, there was certainly a recognition that elk numbers really took off, Binfet said. IF YOU DONT DO IT, YOU LOSE. An example is the Park owned by the Texans in Muddy Mountain. Not many people, billionaires included, have the chance to sell land for that number, county tax assessors should take notice. Theyre very effective! to thin the herd and problem will persistent. Wyomings elk herd objectives are over their limits and more elk harvest needs to be done to bring those numbers back down. Trout Creek Ranch. My family and I went to hunt, fish, horseback ride and relax in the spa. Archery Antelope Hunts. No public access no public money. as icing on the cake, a trophy bull!! Nature has a way of taking care of things if you let it. Wolves are not the answer. Hunters will apply for controlled hunt #137 for their 1st choice and for hunt #137 Landowner Preference Tag under their 6th choice. State looses a lot of money.. Plan for the tag people! Hmmm, lets see.why are we killing wolves when their prey is out of control? Wont work!! With a secluded location, guests can shake off the stressors of daily life as they improve their mental and physical health. While on a hunt with us you will be with an experienced professional guide who will work to make your Wyoming hunt one that will not be surpassed by any other. Successful Hunts. When given the opportunity, predators such as wolves will depredate on their natural game and leave livestock alone. Josh Kirk. Call Durham Ranch. And heres a better one take herds and slaughter them for meat for the people that are starving right here in America or ship the meat to third world countries to feed the starving people there!! I always show respect for the land and the people. You rely on us for the facts. About. LARAMIE MOUNTAINS Mark Grant recalls childhood days when seeing an elk pass through his familys property was still rare enough that it was neat.. Times change. Sorry life doesnt work that way! Most ranchers use the elk as a money making tool via the outfitters then have the gall to cry when the elk numbers get excessive. I was born in Colorado and have hunted for 54 years. So quit killing wolves and mountain lions, let them take care of some of the elk. Cross C Ranch. Together, Jeff and Deb started Seven J Outfitters. If you want to regulate the number of people on the ranches just issue tags per ranch or ranches based on the size of the ranch or multiple ranchs in a give area. Dead line out to March 1st. Goodreads Choice Award. Selling more tags decreased the hunter success rate the past few years. CALL US: (307) 939-1271 Our Ranch is located in Northeastern Wyoming, just north of Gillette. As a rancher or landowner, If you charge for elk hunting then dont complain! You're as obsessed with the facts as we are! Fallow Deer. Prices vary depending upon the hunt, ranch, and weapon choice. Inside, however, the recently refurbished Wyoming cabins feature every modern amenity you could wish for, along with an array of luxurious accents. So both of those management experiments demonstrated how the Predator-Prey dynamic works, or doesnt. Joined Feb 9, 2015 Messages 323 Location . I think if ranchers dont want the Elk, allow the public access to public land. Why ? Sounds like a good argument for wolg introduction. WHen wolves were introduced the herd count was 19,000 +/- . I dont know how many wolves are in that part of the state but that might be a place to relocate grizzlies from our part of the world. So why is it the rest of the people paying for your land locked public and over priced guided hunts. Not nature. Home; What is CBD? The early hunt is 100% wilderness so a guide is needed. Hunt. But, I want to say thanks to landowners like the Grants that offer the opportunity. What Im trying to say that it is normal to reimburse the landowner for a permanent or semi-permanent easement for any number of purposes. The mismanagement here in Colorado is destroying our elk and right to use our lands. But with a little work and effort, you can access public land. Wyoming Outfitter BG-019 1962 Lane 15 Powell, Wyoming 82435 (307) 899-4673 shoshonelodgeoutfitters@gmail.com : ELK HUNTS IN WYOMING Guided Elk Hunts by Shoshone Lodge Outfitters: Late Season Bull Elk Hunts . I think there is a simple fix. Damage to hay fields must be fully documented and your local wildlife biologist brought in to document the damage from Game and Fishes view. The state agency reimbursed them more than $70,000. 136,733 ratings12,545 reviews. Would this work in the Laramies? I dont believe turtle ranch and other ranches are only making a few thousand dollars on hunts. Lets see, the public land welfare rancher grazes his cattle for pennies where the elk should be, so elk then end up on the private land. That has turned from allowable access to turning hunting into a big business for the rancher very few people in todays society can afford to pay the large fees wanted for hunts on their private property a $12000. Spring Hotel (Any Weapon) Fall Camp (Archery) 5. 4.29. I would pony up $7 for a 3 ft.wide crossing, either purchase or public easement, on that infinitely small piece of private land. You obviously have never been a rancher. Lower the price for non resident hunters. Make a donation today and help us keep digging. There are no perfect reforms and the group is yet to recommend a strategy, Coursey said. Her . You could even time slot the hunts so you dont have a rodeo opening day. Like many people have said allow access to the public lands. Thats not the prevailing viewpoint, however. I would like to hear why. Ranchers also need to quit complaining about the problem and giving access to help with the problem. Follow MYSTERY RANCH hunting ambassador, Jason Matzinger, on his latest elk hunt in Wyoming. We look forward to hearing from you. About Dosing; CBD is for Pets Too! Tarps that the Grants use to dam up their ditches and flood-irrigate their fields are evidently attractive to the 400-plus pound native ungulates. Its a mucked up system and the Sy Gillilland outfitters and guides only take advantage of itthough Sy was trying to feign outrage in the write up.
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